Tim Brook Taylor dies with virus
Just read this.
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While people are at home, some are working on DIY projects.
Has anyone noticed fly-tipping has started?
I saw this yesterday. It has been reported.
A extract from a letter written by a ICU nurse in NYC (Edited)
Reading this very open & honest account of working with the very ill Covid 19 patients will hopefully make anyone not following the U.K. lockdown realise how bad it can get & is getting in the UK...how many more lives lost before the people sunbathing in parks.. playing sport... going out to shops more than necessary or any other outings, visiting family friends etc before those people realise that this awful killer virus doesn’t care who its victims are & the fact they suffer so badly from the awful affects of it till they eventually die alone or if lucky just the ICU nurse by their side.
Stay safe.. Stay at Home.
Part one( part two in comments)
This was posted by my
Facebook friend In USA who’s relative is a nurse who wrote this who has left her family to go and help the dying people in NYC as the numbers are so high.
Corona deaths outside of hospitals
This is getting disturbingly high now and still not being counted in official figures.
In the last week there have been 1000 corona related deaths in care home. Was mentioned as part of a rambling report on BBC news after BBC1 had gone off air.
Today on Breakfast, Charlie Stayt was interviewing Nasir Afzal. He is the former DPP for the NorthWest. His brother had tested postive for Corona virus but as there were no hospital beds was told to rest at home. On the Wednesday morning he just didn't wake up.
When the Muslim Burial Service man arrived he told Nasir that he couldn't move the body yet because they had another 14 to pick up.
It is with great sadness that I have to mention the loss of a few local businesses. The bra manufacturer has gone bust; the specialist in submarines has gone under; the manufacturer of food blenders has gone into liquidation; a dog kennel has had to call in the retrievers; the suppliers of paper for Origami enthusiasts has folded; the Heinz factory has been canned as they couldn’t ketchup with orders; the tarmac laying company has reached the end of the road; the bread company has run out of dough; the clock making company has had to wind down and gone cuckoo; the Chinese has been taken away; the shoe shop owner has had to put his foot down and given his staff the boot and, finally, the laundrette has been taken to the cleaners!
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I had a phone call this morning which was obviously from a spammer. A female voice said that my internet would be disconnected in four hours time due to a faulty router. She said I should press one to be connected to my internet service provider’s technical support line who would fix the problem for me.
I wasn’t busy and I thought that I if I kept them occupied for a while at least they wouldn’t be using the time to con someone else.
So I pressed one. I was connected to a guy who went through all sorts of technobabble to tell me that my router was faulty and that he needed to access my computer to fix the problem.
I said that this was very worrying, I’m 75 years old (I’m not) and that my son (I only have daughters) had given me a computer about six months ago, rambling on about how he worked in a local bank and was very successful, and of course about how they don’t make things to be as durable as in the old days and how the computer was so important to me with the COVID-19 restrictions as I couldn’t get to the bank or supermarket so I relied on on-line banking and on line shopping to survive.
I could almost imagine the pound signs lighting up in his eyes.
Before I could use the computer of course I had to find my glasses and they were upstairs as I’d been reading in bed last night. More rambling on about how my eyes aren’t as good as they used to be. It’s amazing how much time you can kill by talking about any old rubbish that springs to mind.
I then killed several more minutes as I noisily climbed the stairs with heavy footsteps and lots of laboured breathing, plus comments about how I wished I had a stair lift.
Then I spent several minutes noisily rummaging around in a drawer before “finding” my glasses followed by a long noisy walk downstairs to the computer.
I “switched” my computer on (in reality a desk fan) and waited ages for it to “boot up” making comments about how it was an old computer and how it was slow to “give itself the boot”.
Then of course I had to put in the password – Three attempts at very slowly hitting keys on my keyboard before admitting that I couldn’t remember it.
Of course I said that the password is written on a piece of paper stuck to the fridge, so more heavy footsteps and laboured breathing as I slowly went to the kitchen and back to get the password.
When I got back I was obviously very out of breath and I complained that I hadn’t done so much walking for ages wasn’t feeling well. I commented that I wasn’t as active since my heart attack. (building up the image of some frail elderly man who wasn’t very healthy).
Then more slow typing and eventually my phantom computer let me in.
He then asked me to go to a website to download a remote access programme so that he could control my computer to fix the “problem” with my router.
I started typing something but then said that I really don’t feel well, groaned, let out an ARRRGGGHHH! sound and made a lot of noise as I supposedly fell off my chair and onto the ground. Then silence.
The guy didn’t seem to know what to do. He kept saying are you all right and then eventually hung up.
Maybe I’m cruel letting him think he’d killed someone, but I’d kept him hanging on for the best part of half an hour which meant that he wasn’t conning vulnerable people into letting him have access to their computers and bank details.
Carrot crunching cops with nothing better to do
In the last two days I've read three news reports about rural northern police going OTT enforcing the lockdown rules.
1. South Yorkshire police threaten to fine a man standing in his own garden.
2. Cambridgeshire police announce they are going to search people shopping bags or trollies for non-essential items.
3. Cambridgeshire police again. Now sending officers into Tesco to make sure nobody is browsing in the non-essential aisles
Meanwhile the Met have yet to issue a single fine as they are too busy dealing with actual criminals.
Keep your distance from joggers...cyclists
A member posted this on my local page so thought would share it to others not local to her.
https://medium.com/@jurgenthoelen/belgian-dutch-study-why-in-times-of-covid-19-you-can-not-walk-run-bike-close-to-each-other-a5df19c77d08
I asked myself what is good about it. At least the sun is trying to get through and heard we are creating a few more millionaires (covid) please note --not brexit this time--. Never quite understood how it works regarding the social sites. Who pays who as when we use them we do not pay.
I try and find stuff to do but can’t keep interested in it as know I’m just doing it to kill time... my motivation has gone and I’m just now sat in silence as can’t be bothered with tv and am now drowned in LBC 24/7 Covid talk...how do others keep interest in things.. there’s only so much me time a person can take.
COVID Symptom Tracker (Edited)
You may find this useful. Citizen Science project reporting on infection rates by local authority area. covid.joinzoe.com/
Lovely sunny day, hope you all o.k.Had to change from computer to laptop so I am playing a searching game. How to and where is what. -----clicking window and fullstop does not give me emojis. Any one knows how to?
Are people getting used to living in this lockdown situation?
How many are still finding the lockdown stressful and lonely if on ones own and how many are fairly relaxed about it and enjoying a bit if down time away from work or making the most of family time for those living with family.
I asked this because the older lady I know who lives on their own normally with her dog said last week she was quite happy and relaxed and wasn’t feeling concerned about the lockdown at all. She just goes out to walk the dog once a day away from people and I drop the shopping once a week.
How are you coping now we’re in week 3?
Carer finds ‘killer’ note on her car (Edited)
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/11339926/carer-note-killer-treating-vulnerable-coronavirus/amp/
It’s disgusting that people think it’s okay to target somebody who is only going about their job to help a vulnerable elderly person in their home to keep well and healthy... Provide their meals and in some cases personal care as well. Tocome back to the car and find this on it. So if you read the article a few other instances happened with other carers.
Bad driving during this lockdown (Edited)
I have noticed on the rare occasion I have been out shopping or to care for my uncle that the driving of the few cars that are on the roads to be rather wreck less... driving far too fast on the roads..& ignoring the flashing speed signs saying slow down.. A couple of drivers behind me obviously was getting fed up of me trying to keep to the speed limit so first chance they took off to the other side of the road and zoomed past.. also I’ve been tailgated numerous time’s.
And today I read on Facebook that a local lady who owns a cat rescue centre that her own beloved cat that she had for many years has been run down and killed at 10 am this morning..Which shouldn’t of happened at the moment especially during lockdown where there are so few cars and a lot of the roads of 20 miles an hour anyway. And I don’t think she lives on a busy road anyway by the look of the photos that she puts up of her road.
Why do people suddenly think because the road is empty that the law doesn’t matter & they can drive at a ridiculously fast speed...whether the road is busy or not busy you still have to drive at the speed of the road... it doesn’t suddenly change if no other cars. Very sad to hear she lost her cat it was only a few weeks ago she lost her husband too.
For anyone who has a regular repeat prescription, I've been told there's you can get them delivered free via the Co-op app. I don't have regular prescriptions so haven't actually looked at it but might be useful for some people.
Could not sleep so listened to the dawn chorus, admired the tulips and noticed the fuchsia buds which are usually Summer/Autumn flowering.
Ordered my groceries on line with Sainsburys and noticed minimum items have been removed on some shopping.
Received notification re: Asda online delivery today which I forgot about as I snapped up a delivery slot and did not get notification "you can still add to your order", so expensive delivery for a handful of items. Could have done with a few more items. Their black grapes are delicious but getting a delivery slot absolutely terrible. Have a nice day.
Sorry being late, been very busy with urgent matters.Wondered if one is getting low on surgical gloves we can rinse them with disinfectant, dry and reuse. Have a nice evening.
No Paper tax returns anymore..
I arrived home today to find a letter saying your tax return is due now So I was looking round for the tax form that I normally get the A4 form...no sign of it at all so I read the letter and I now have to either do it online or download the form and I have no printer..I was quite happy filling in the paper one and sending it to them.
It’s a bit like when they stop giving out the paper tax discs you just pay and you get nothing for your money.. I quite like having a little round disk in my car to say I taxed it These days they seem to be cutting back to save on paper in everything..
Although I know it’s good for the planet I personally miss the fact of things being on paper rather than always online.
How do I change my group from private to open?
Does any other admin reading this know as I’ve looked on the settings etc and can’t find anything.. I did contact scoop but no reply so far. Wanted to open up my group for fun posts pics etc for all to add stuff for a totally lighthearted fun only group away from all the serious discussions during this time of period of doom & gloom.
Just a quick note to let you know that there is a new group called Public Notices which is designed to allow a forum for official notices to be posted by anybody who receives them.
This will give a single point of reference, rather than any items being lost within various disparate groups.
Premiership Clubs- What should they be doing ? (Edited)
Tottenham , Newcastle and Liverpool have furlough their non playing staff.
The 800 odd prem footballers may be told this week to take a cut in wages- is this right, or should it be done differently.
He has been admitted to hospital with the Coronavirus, 10 days after his first symptoms and testing positive.
Obviously the 7 days advice is not good enough.
Chapter 17- Coronavirus post continued - Lockdown day 13/14
All to this post now .. keep those thoughts and concerns coming.. keep supporting each other each day & stay home -save lives !!
Weather getting hotter this week (Edited)
Time to get your bikini on ladies and guys get your speedos on and get out into your back garden to get your daily dose of vit D
Sun is shining and getting warmer.Can not get it out of my mind about all the people who had live saving operations postponed. I firmly believe we could have done without certain treatments paid for by NHS (e.g. boob jobs) and treated more people with real illnesses. What is your opinion?
Wishing everyone in this group all the best and goodbye. (Edited)
I am imminently leaving this group.
I am spending too much energy on it, only to have my posts and comments deleted - too frustrating.
So I wish you all well - stay safe, stay well and stay sane.
I've really enjoyed chatting with you all.
See you around in other parts of the Scooploop site.
This should be the latest TV ad
Excuse the bad language but I think this is probably the message some stupid people need to hear and I didn’t want to put in on any of the other threads
https://vm.tiktok.com/t5u51C/
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Lovely day, hope you are keeping well and in good humour.Are we heading towards a "cashless" society now? Not many people want to handle money and heard the contactless limit was raised from £30 to £45 to allow shoppers to make larger purchases without having to punch their pin into a potentially dirty keypad.Let's not forget we always can pay by cheque saving a few people to loose their jobs.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1264917/france-stabbing-Romans-sur-Isere-attack-knife-terror-police-france-europe/amp
Sat in my garden enjoying the sun what are you up to today?
Lovely day today.. very warm in the sun..what’s it like where you are and are you managing to enjoy some of the sunshine?
Chemists selling single face masks Not hygienic. (Edited)
I went to buy face masks today & and the chemists are selling them in single units which I don’t actually think it’s very hygienic...because you ask for five and then the chemist just takes them out of the box using his gloved hand but the glove has touched all over the place all over the counter... all over products other people touched..the till etc and after manhandling into a bag he then gives them to you. I then did not feel like going home or where ever and putting the mask over my nose and face.
Chapter 16 -Coronavirus post continued - Lockdown day 12/13
Saturday 4 April/ 5 April
Keep sharing and caring.. keep your thoughts and concerns coming and support each other during this difficult time.
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Royal Mail Changes to Services in London
https://www.mylondon.news/news/uk-world-news/royal-mail-announces-changes-post-18037979
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Coronavirus and the unequal divide
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letters/coronavirus-boris-johnson-nhs-furlough-football-a9440886.html?amp&utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=Feed
Sad tragedy for Kennedy family
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/maeve-kennedy-mckean-missing-robert-f-kennedy-granddaughter-son-gideon-jfk-chesapeake-bay-boat-a9446856.html?amp
When Keyworkers are pulled over by Police
My nephew is a keyworker. He works for an electricity supply company. If he is ever stopped by the police he has a letter from his employer to prove he is a keyworker and he is not breaking the lockdown rules by being in his car or van.
Being typically him he is using it to drive to friends and to here. Today he came here with a friend who is his barber to borrow my spare room to get his hair cut. Then later another friend turned up.
They were joking about police stopping people and handing out fines, and people driving when they shouldn't be. I said, "yes, like you ". His friend said that he keeps a bag of shopping in the car so he can tell any Police officer that he has just been shopping.
I have given up telling him he shouldn't be visiting me.
As for my sister and her daughter, I have declared them members of my household even though they don't live here. She's a really good cook and as they live in a flat they do not have their own household.
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Message from Amy Clements Commander For Chiltern and South Buckinghamshire Police Area
I understand that this is a difficult and worrying time for a lot people as we all make significant adjustments to our daily lives to follow the movement restrictions set out by the Government. These measures have been put in place to stop the spread of the Coronavirus, to protect the NHS and to save lives.
You will be aware that the police were recently given new powers to help reinforce these measures. Our approach to these is to engage with our public, explain the measures and why they’re in force and encourage everyone to keep to the new measures. We have been given enforcement powers, but will only use these as a last resort.
My officers will routinely be stopping members of the public and vehicles to ensure that the Government’s advice is being followed so please don’t be alarmed if you are stopped but we do ask that you work with us and follow any instructions that officers may give you.
I know that in the uncertainty of the current climate you may feel anxious, unsettled and fearful. I want to reassure you that in Chiltern & South Bucks we are still policing as normal and we are responding to emergency calls and investigating crime as we do at any other time. We continue to police our community priorities of burglary prevention, drugs and anti-social behaviour.
In addition to our normal policing duties, we are also helping to keep the country safe from Coronavirus by ensuring people keep to the movement restrictions. We cannot do that without you, and I thank everyone who is adhering to the guidance, staying home unless absolutely necessary, and saving lives by doing so.
Lastly, I want to say a huge thank you for all the messages of support and generous donations that have been made to my team: just this week we have had donations of protective masks, gloves and hand sanitiser as well as many messages of support. All of this makes a difference – thank you.
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In order to get a sense of proportion, we need more information. Currently, all deaths where the deceased had COVID-19 Coronovirus are recorded as deaths due to the virus. As Terry4 said a few days ago, we need to know how many deaths occurred due to the virus and how many with the virus. We had a little more clarity at yesterday’s briefing when it was said that, of the 2,921 deaths in the UK, 44 people had no underlying health issues. Those figures could be overstated. If the deaths are investigated, as they should be, we may discover some of those had heath issues that had not been identified.
The daily death figures are only those in hospitals. The Office for National Statistics issued figures on Wednesday that included deaths in nursing homes and at home, an additional 40 for the period to Wednesday 25th March. I have asked the ONS to make additional information available so that comparisons can be made with deaths in previous years.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26
I realise that, without the virus, some of those with underlying health issues may have lived for years longer and others may have died from other causes.
Before I am criticised for suggesting anyone questions the current group think, please take the time to consider this. It has been claimed that the Conservative government’s austerity policy has cost tens of thousands of lives; some people claim it is more than a hundred thousand. If the World’s economy is shut down for an extended period, the hardship caused by closed businesses, unemployment, dividends not paid, inflation, further erosion of savings, homelessness, the burden of personal, business and government debt and the higher taxes and additional cuts to public services needed to repay it could make the previous austerity seem generous.
We cannot read anything into the number of tests or positive results reported because testing is very limited and focused on patients showing symptoms with some testing of NHS staff. We therefore have no real idea of how many people have or have had the virus.
There have been various estimates of the death rate from COVID-19 ranging between 0.5% and 1.0%. Some suggest the rate may be much lower. Yesterday, 44 deaths out of 2,921 (1 in 66) in the UK were stated to have had no underlying health issues. I have used yesterday’s figures instead of today’s because I have not seen any updated figures for the number of deaths with no underlying health issues.
Based on the 1.0% overall death rate, this equates to a death rate of 0.015% (15 per 100,000) for those with no underlying health issues. Based on the lower 0.5% overall death rate, the death rate for those with no underlying health issues is 0.0075 (15 per 200,000).
According to the ONS:
• In 2018, there were 541,589 deaths registered in England and Wales
• There were 7,551 deaths registered in the UK in 2018 that related to alcohol-specific causes (11.9 deaths per 100,000 people).
Table 1: Leading cause of death by age group and sex in England and Wales, 2018
Males % of male deaths
All ages Ischaemic heart diseases 13.2
1 to 4 Congenital malformations, deformations and chromosomal abnormalities 12.6
5 to 19 Suicide and injury/poisoning of undetermined intent 16.6
20 to 34 Suicide and injury/poisoning of undetermined intent 25.9
35 to 49 Accidental poisoning 12.5
50 to 64 Ischaemic heart diseases 17.3
65 to 79 Ischaemic heart diseases 14.8
80+ Dementia and Alzheimer disease 15.1
Females % of female deaths
All ages Dementia and Alzheimer disease 16.7
1 to 4 Congenital malformations, deformations and chromosomal abnormalities 15.9
5 to 19 Suicide and injury/poisoning of undetermined intent 12.3
20 to 34 Suicide and injury/poisoning of undetermined intent 15.6
35 to 49 Malignant neoplasm of breast 12.6
50 to 64 Malignant neoplasm of breast 10.1
65 to 79 Malignant neoplasm of trachea, bronchus and lung 10.1
80+ Dementia and Alzheimer disease 23.6
It makes sense for anyone in the ‘at risk’ category to keep away from other people and take all reasonable precautions to avoid catching the virus, but can shutting down the World’s economy be justified and is it worth the cost?
Hope it will be a nice day. Sun is trying to come through.To while the time away let us know which games you are playing and maybe a short description.
I play with https://www.bigfishgames.com/us/en.html My games are all bought but there are a lot of free games. My games ---WordZen ---Around the world in 80 days (the free version limited days but it gets harder after that) and like Bubblez which one can not buy, but I only get to a certain stage and then I am stuck.
Good gaming